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3inSlugger

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I did not, after reading SB 2018 see how it relates to militia. Militia isn't vene used in the text.

It does define a street gang:
“Criminal street gang” means any ongoing organization, association, or group of five or more persons that specifically either promotes, sponsors, or assists in, or participates in, and requires as a condition of membership or continued membership, the commission of one or more of the following criminal acts:
1. Assault, battery, or assault and battery with a deadly weapon, as defined in Section 645 of this title;
2. Aggravated assault and battery as defined by Section 646 of this title;
3. Robbery by force or fear, as defined in Sections 791 through 797 of this title;
4. Robbery or attempted robbery with a dangerous weapon or imitation firearm, as defined by Section 801 of this title;
5. Unlawful homicide or manslaughter, as defined in Sections 691 through 722 of this title;
6. The sale, possession for sale, transportation, manufacture, offer for sale, or offer to manufacture controlled dangerous substances, as defined in Section 2-101 et seq. of Title 63 of the Oklahoma Statutes;
7. Trafficking in illegal drugs, as provided for in the Trafficking in Illegal Drugs Act, Section 2-414 of Title 63 of the Oklahoma Statutes;
8. Arson, as defined in Sections 1401 through 1403 of this title;
9. The influence or intimidation of witnesses and jurors, as defined in Sections 388, 455 and 545 of this title;
10. Theft of any vehicle, as described in Section 1720 of this title;
11. Rape, as defined in Section 1111 of this title;
12. Extortion, as defined in Section 1481 of this title;
13. Transporting a loaded firearm in a motor vehicle, in violation of Section 1289.13 of this title;
14. Transporting a weapon in, or discharging a weapon from, a boat, in violation of Section 1289.14 of this title;
15. Possession of a concealed weapon, as defined by Section 1289.8 of this title; or
16. 15. Shooting or discharging a firearm, as defined by Section 652 of this title.
 

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The bill was amended on the floor to include the Ku Klux Klan and unauthorized militias specificially.Here is an exerpt from the story referring to it-
Recruiting membership in an unauthorized militia or the Ku Klux Klan (http://newsok.com/keysearch/?er=1&CANONICAL=Ku+Klux+Klan&CATEGORY=ORGANIZATION) would be a crime if legislation approved Thursday by the House of Representatives (http://newsok.com/keysearch/?er=1&CANONICAL=U.S.+House+of+Representatives&CATEGORY=ORGANIZATION) becomes law. "This is making unauthorized militias illegal,” said Rep. Mike Shelton (http://newsok.com/keysearch/?er=1&CANONICAL=Mike+Shelton&CATEGORY=PERSON), the amendment’s author. Both groups were added in an amendment to Senate Bill 2018, which would increase the penalty for aiding or soliciting gang membership from one year in prison to five years in prison. It also would create a new crime for gang-related offenses as a condition of membership, with the penalty being five years in prison.
"There has been a great deal of attention given to increasing the penalties for those involved in gang activity, and while I agree that gangs are terrorizing many communities, they are not the only such threat in our state,” said Shelton, D-Oklahoma City (http://newsok.com/keysearch/?er=1&CANONICAL=Oklahoma+City&CATEGORY=CITY).
"In Oklahoma (http://newsok.com/keysearch/?er=1&CANONICAL=Oklahoma&CATEGORY=STATE), we have seen the damage done by militia fanatics,” said Shelton (http://newsok.com/keysearch/?er=1&CANONICAL=Shelton&CATEGORY=CITY), referring to the truck bombing 15 years ago of the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building (http://newsok.com/keysearch/?er=1&CANONICAL=Alfred+P.+Murrah+Federal+Building&CATEGORY=ATTRACTION) in Oklahoma City. "The Ku Klux Klan has a long history of violence and domestic terrorism,” he said.

Basically, they are relating militia to a gang, and that is how they did it. This came about because of the tea party and alex jones.
 

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I have a question: what would be the effect of no longer filing taxes w the federal govt? Both the left and the right complain about govt overreach. What if enough people on both sides of the aisle quit paying taxes until both the admin and congress got their acts together?
 

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I have a question: what would be the effect of no longer filing taxes w the federal govt? Both the left and the right complain about govt overreach. What if enough people on both sides of the aisle quit paying taxes until both the admin and congress got their acts together?

Ask our own Michael Brown to tell you the riveting story of "BROWNS UNDER ATTACK".

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I have a question: what would be the effect of no longer filing taxes w the federal govt? Both the left and the right complain about govt overreach. What if enough people on both sides of the aisle quit paying taxes until both the admin and congress got their acts together?

Well for most people, they don't pay payroll taxes. Their payroll taxes are withheld by their employer automatically. I guess you could change your withholding so that you underpaid and then not pay your bill at the end of the year, but there's no way to not pay, except quitting your job and not getting another. :(
 

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All those "pay no tax" gurus who give seminars and write books about how income taxes are unconstitutional typically file tax returns that are so clean you could perform surgery on them.
 

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All those "pay no tax" gurus who give seminars and write books about how income taxes are unconstitutional typically file tax returns that are so clean you could perform surgery on them.



I'm just curious how they find a way to comply with the 70,000+ pages of the tax code. My only guess is that they over pay purposefully much like you would a mob boss for "protection".

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