Obama just wants to contain ISIS...

[Shadowrider]

So lets review:

Bush took out Saddam. No Obama didn't take him out, he campaigned against it actually, but nonetheless Saddam is gone.
Obama said Hosni Mubarak had to go. He did.
Obama said Gaddafi (however it's spelled) had to go. He did.
Obama said Assad had to go. Close but no cigar. Obama tried tho.

Now what did all these dictators have in common?

Answer: They didn't tolerate these ISIS/ISIL nutsacks in their country. They smacked them down with extreme prejudice and they did it posthaste. Why does Obama want these guys gone?

 

[dennishoddy]

So you are either advocating to redeploy and occupy Iraq again or your advocating to arm another sect(kurds) to do our fighting by proxy.

Either way, Americans are tired of this middle east war dance. We've fought and beat the war drums long enough. Nobody but a few war mongers supports this idiotic war anymore. If the average Arab/Muslim wont fight back, neither should we.

Let China, India, Iran and Saudi Arabia carve up the middle east and run the show for a decade or 5.

Oh yeah,
Lets see how that works. LOL..... It was Saudi's that took out the trade towers, and spawned Osama.

I'm advocating taking out the convoys of military equipment and arms that are openly driven on the roads through the desert. 99% of which are gained by the coward Iraq security forces that our "hearts and minds" program failed to achieve, like any other war that the democrats have ran.

 

[MCVetSteve]

Lurker, I don't think that arming the Kurds would be them doing "our fighting by proxy." They're the ones who live in Iraq, and of those that live in Iraq the Kurds are the only ones who have demonstrated a will to fight ISIS. Why shouldn't we assist them, with equipment and munitions?

 

[dennishoddy]

Lurker, I don't think that arming the Kurds would be them doing "our fighting by proxy." They're the ones who live in Iraq, and of those that live in Iraq the Kurds are the only ones who have demonstrated a will to fight ISIS. Why shouldn't we assist them, with equipment and munitions?

All we need is camp fires, meaningful conversations, smores, and ICIS will fall in line. An air strike on a mortar position will sure send a message to them!

 

[ignerntbend]

So lets review:

Bush took out Saddam. No Obama didn't take him out, he campaigned against it actually, but nonetheless Saddam is gone.
:

That's what got the ball rolling. Bush broke Iraq without a thought in the world about how to put it back together.

 

[Lurker66]

So lets review:

Bush took out Saddam. No Obama didn't take him out, he campaigned against it actually, but nonetheless Saddam is gone.
Obama said Hosni Mubarak had to go. He did.
Obama said Gaddafi (however it's spelled) had to go. He did.
Obama said Assad had to go. Close but no cigar. Obama tried tho.

Now what did all these dictators have in common?

Answer: They didn't tolerate these ISIS/ISIL nutsacks in their country. They smacked them down with extreme prejudice and they did it posthaste. Why does Obama want these guys gone?

Everyone predicted a power vaccum when WE destabilized Iraq. ISIS/ISIL has its roots in alQaida....When we ran them out if Iraq, specifically Falluja, they escaped into Syria and Eqypt.....oh gee wonder why those 2 countries destabilized. If you remember Ghadaffi begging for his life and pleading for us to do something, he kept sayin AlQaida was the problem....maybe we shouldnt have supported that bunch of preISIS rebels and Qadaffi and Bin Ghazi wouldnt have happened.

AlAssad has said same thing in Syria, his "rebels" came from Iraq and are AlQaida from Falluja. Oh gee again.

Mubarak complained about them as well.

Maybe we should have left Saddam in power like Bush one did.
Or maybe we should do like we did in 73 and just defund the whole thing and let chips fall where ever.

 

[Lurker66]

Lurker, I don't think that arming the Kurds would be them doing "our fighting by proxy." They're the ones who live in Iraq, and of those that live in Iraq the Kurds are the only ones who have demonstrated a will to fight ISIS. Why shouldn't we assist them, with equipment and munitions?

Because arming ANY Arabs or muslims has ALWAYS backfired. Arm the Kurds and they go to war with Turkey. ....then what???

 

[dennishoddy]

Everyone predicted a power vaccum when WE destabilized Iraq. ISIS/ISIL has its roots in alQaida....When we ran them out if Iraq, specifically Falluja, they escaped into Syria and Eqypt.....oh gee wonder why those 2 countries destabilized. If you remember Ghadaffi begging for his life and pleading for us to do something, he kept sayin AlQaida was the problem....maybe we shouldnt have supported that bunch of preISIS rebels and Qadaffi and Bin Ghazi wouldnt have happened.

AlAssad has said same thing in Syria, his "rebels" came from Iraq and are AlQaida from Falluja. Oh gee again.

Mubarak complained about them as well.

Maybe we should have left Saddam in power like Bush one did.
Or maybe we should do like we did in 73 and just defund the whole thing and let chips fall where ever.

We stabilized Iraq. Obumastupid put a date on withdrawal and put the opposition in a position to gain power, money, and weapons.

Surely your not that blind.

You believe the refugee terrorists fighters from one town in Iraq causes all of the problems in Syria?

Quadaffi was dead no matter what direction his country was going.

 

[Shadowrider]

Everyone predicted a power vaccum when WE destabilized Iraq. ISIS/ISIL has its roots in alQaida....When we ran them out if Iraq, specifically Falluja, they escaped into Syria and Eqypt.....oh gee wonder why those 2 countries destabilized. If you remember Ghadaffi begging for his life and pleading for us to do something, he kept sayin AlQaida was the problem....maybe we shouldnt have supported that bunch of preISIS rebels and Qadaffi and Bin Ghazi wouldnt have happened.

AlAssad has said same thing in Syria, his "rebels" came from Iraq and are AlQaida from Falluja. Oh gee again.

Mubarak complained about them as well.

Maybe we should have left Saddam in power like Bush one did.
Or maybe we should do like we did in 73 and just defund the whole thing and let chips fall where ever.

Yes they all "complained" about them. And who were we was Obama supporting during all of this?

 

[Shadowrider]

Because arming ANY Arabs or muslims has ALWAYS backfired. Arm the Kurds and they go to war with Turkey. ....then what???

lol

The Kurds stand ZERO chance in a war with Turkey. Not even a dream of winning. Try again...