Every cop's nightmare...

[Gadsden]

Just sayin'....

Just the comment earlier by one presumably ex-cop that "got out before the cameras, etc..."

That really kind of lets one know that transparency is not a virtue with all LEOs.

I have a friend, ex-TPD that was commenting on the verbal abuse officers take. He said -
"back when I was a patrolman, if one of these guys started saying MF this or MF that, we'd pull him out through the window and put a stop to it right away. Those guys may not have respected us, but they'd at least fear us".

That was a retired TPD officer, and a very respected one at that. He wasn't angry when he said it, it was just him stating how it was.

I like the old dude, I really do. But his nonchalant attitude about escalating to violence over some verbal assault by a punk speaks volumes.

Show me where any of us ever said "transparency" IS a virtue with all cops. Truth be told, we've all said we know there are bad cops out there. The fact of the matter is nobody hates a bad cop more than a good cop and that is coming from someone with first-hand knowledge of what some are capable of and who did not look the other way. As far as your example of the TPD cop goes, those were the old days, lots of things, in many different professions, were different then than they are now. What took place with him and maybe others in those days is irrelevant, it has nothing to do with the way things are now.

 

[TedKennedy]

Show me where any of us ever said "transparency" IS a virtue with all cops. Truth be told, we've all said we know there are bad cops out there. The fact of the matter is nobody hates a bad cop more than a good cop and that is coming from someone with first-hand knowledge of what some are capable of and who did not look the other way. As far as your example of the TPD cop goes, those were the old days, lots of things, in many different professions, were different then than they are now. What took place with him and maybe others in those days is irrelevant, it has nothing to do with the way things are now.

What, if anything would you change to make LEO enforcement/civil liberty guarantees better?

Do you think there are any laws that should be changed or added to make it a better function or at least perceived as a better function of government?

 

[Gadsden]

What, if anything would you change to make LEO enforcement/civil liberty guarantees better?

Do you think there are any laws that should be changed or added to make it a better function or at least perceived as a better function of government?

You know, it seems you want to believe that the left is correct and civil rights violations are an everyday occurrence. It also appears that you concur with adhdferret and fall for his deception when he states "You know, the majority of cops are damn good, fair and honest people."

The proof that he doesn't really believe that comes when he follows that remark up with "Thing i think even you and I can agree on is how they protect those that are not." It matters not to me what he thinks or says, it's a complete contradiction of his previous statement and more proof of what his real intentions here are. The fact is, and anyone would have to be a fool to believe otherwise, cops who are "good, fair and honest people" would never protect those who are not.

When it comes to civil rights violations the number of occurrences are blown way out of proportion by liberals, far-left politicians and the media who hates cops. I am not denying they have happened however, civil rights violations are very few and far between and it's been that way for a long, long time. The advent of the body cams and people with cell phones who record every move a cop makes are just more proof of that. As we see, time and time again where an accusation has been made, once the full, unedited, cell phone video is released along with any body cam video the vast majority of allegations against law enforcement are proved unfounded and even more than that, outright lies. Add to that spineless administrators who will throw their officers under the bus, even before any investigation has been completed or in some cases even started, and any cop who wants to keep his (or her) job and possibly their freedom, would be a complete fool to abuse their authority. However, any cop who intentionally violates someones rights should be treated just like anyone else who breaks the law. Meaning there should be a complete investigation done and if the charges are substantiated, anyone involved should be arrested and tried in a court of law. Make no mistake, I have no compassion for any cop who dishonors the badge. They do nothing but give all cops a bad name.

That said, I don't profess to have all the answers. I do believe though, that just like anything else, there will always be a few bad actors in every profession and I don't see any way of riding ourselves of them in a free society.

After-all, like Franklin so eloquently stated, “Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.”

 

[Adhdferret]

I have been reading this thread with great interest. Sir, @Adhdferret, I understand your reasoning and I also from reading your posts, think that you have had great damage done to you in your early family life. I don't think you want sympathy, you just want understanding. I read that a cop and apparently the local court system saved you from your abusive parents. I applaud you for being honest during your OHP? interview telling them you would have great difficulty maintaining not if but when you ran across a child abuse call. On most of your posts, I can see your point from your life experiences.

It is only when people start to spout the same lies and rhetoric that the LE community has endured from the MSM and Sharpton, and Holder and others, and even Obama himself when he rushed to judgement not once but several times, that rubs us raw. Only non informed, mis informed, people parrot these lies and soon, the lies become the absolute gospel truth because you do not hear the real truth from the MSM because it does not fit what they want to do to this country.

You brought up examples but let me try one. Micheal Brown in Ferguson, MO. He was not a choirboy in church. He stole from a store and when he was approached by a cop, he ignored the commands/instructions of a peace officer performing his duties and instead attacked the cop in his patrol car attempting to get the cop's gun. In the process, he was killed by the cop defending himself.

Now if the media had done their job, this would have been a tragic loss of a young man's life because he made a bad decision and did not comply. Not the lie, "Hands up, don't shoot!" which never happened. The "eyewitness" that said this later recanted his statement in the grand jury room in which this officer's career was ruined even when he was not indicted.

This was blown so out of proportion and over the top with out and out lies and deceit by power hungry self ordained ministers and politicians, and Collin Capperphuque's shenanigans, it took on a life of its own. Millions of times it was paraded as a murder of a black kid by a white cop and referenced back to every time another incident occurred that was even close to what happened, (didn't happen) in this case.

Our point, we are damn sick and tired of people thinking they could do a better job of police work with all of the stress that comes with the job without the lies and anti police rhetoric added to it. Defund the police and let people run rampant in stores because prosecutors won't do their jobs causing businesses to close. Yeah that there city of CHOP really worked, didn't it? In one month they had two murders?

I would love to see these loud mouthed pussified wannabes go through a full afternoon of a shoot - don't shoot simulator. I would program in Mike Brown in the middle of it and see exactly what would happen.

As I have said I understand you, I just don't agree with you on some of your convictions.

Have you heard of or read the book, A Child Called It by David Pelzer? It opened my eyes.

You are correct in that I use many of my life stories as examples, and no I dont want sympathy in the slightest, wont do anything.


Specific examples like The Gentle Giant of Mike Brown....if it happened the way we were told...sure, **** him and feed him to the fishes. As is the case many times were police didn't have the choice, here is the thing.


We are always led on half truths with these things. The riot didn't start because of Mike brown, BLM made it that by parroting his name and Streisand effect happened.


It was 2 days later that the riots started, because police raided a home with zero pretense, and went robocop executing a search. George Floyd was gonna die anyways as well.


He died in the hospital! Thing I stress is that cops, in general need to be overhauled. The shoot first ask questions later kinda thing because they were in fear of their life....needs to end.

If cops as a whole would realize that it isnt us vs them...and it was government vs citizens we could really make that change.

 

[TedKennedy]

You know, it seems you want to believe that the left is correct and civil rights violations are an everyday occurrence. It also appears that you concur with adhdferret and fall for his deception when he states "You know, the majority of cops are damn good, fair and honest people."

The proof that he doesn't really believe that comes when he follows that remark up with "Thing i think even you and I can agree on is how they protect those that are not." It matters not to me what he thinks or says. It's a complete contradiction of his previous statement and more proof of what his real intentions here are. The fact is, and anyone would have to be a complete fool to believe otherwise, cops who are "good, fair and honest people" would never protect those who are not.

When it comes to civil rights violations the number of occurrences are blown way out of proportion by liberals, far-left politicians and the media who hates cops. I am not denying they have happened however, civil rights violations are very few and far between and it's been that way for a long, long time. The advent of the body cams and people with cell phones who record every move a cop makes are just more proof of that. As we see, time and time again where an accusation has been made, once the full, unedited, cell phone video is released along with any body cam video the vast majority of allegations against law enforcement are proved unfounded and even more than that, outright lies. Add to that spineless administrators who will throw their officers under the bus, even before any investigation has been completed or in some cases even started, and any cop who wants to keep his (or her) job and possibly their freedom, would be a complete fool to abuse their authority. However, any cop who intentionally violate someones rights should be treated just like anyone else who breaks the law. Meaning there should be a complete investigation done and if the charges are substantiated, anyone involved should be arrested and tried in a court of law. Make no mistake, I have no compassion for any cop who dishonors the badge. They do nothing but give all cops a bad name.

That said, I don't profess to have all the answers. I do believe though, that just like anything else, there will always be a few bad actors in every profession and I don't see any way of riding ourselves of them in a free society.

After-all, like Franklin so eloquently stated, “Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.”

How do you feel about removing qualified immunity?

How should lawsuits against LEOs be funded?

Should all bodycam video be made available? Investigation into failing bodycams? (technical glitches, Murphy's Law)

Asset forfeiture? Funding of police dependent on citation revenue?

 

[Adhdferret]

Well, I hate to break it to you, but those of us referred to as "Boomers" don't necessarily take it as a put-down. Being that you are of your generation, I question whether you will ever understand.

I am not putting you down.

I am identifying you is all. There are predominant traits within each generation I promise.

Gen x for example (me) I was raised by boomers. As were my friends and it was basically stressed to all of us (that I know) to follow in the foot steps of our parents.

They are just as good as it will get and we can't do any better on our own, or make sure you go to college. Blah blah. In the process of this we learned as a collective that with boomers it is all about he who does with the most toys wins.


Now I ain't saying you should share or even give anything away, but I ask....does a 65yo man who ownes 8 homes really help the community?

 

[Gadsden]

How do you feel about removing qualified immunity?

How should lawsuits against LEOs be funded?

Should all bodycam video be made available? Investigation into failing bodycams? (technical glitches, Murphy's Law)

Asset forfeiture? Funding of police dependent on citation revenue?

Like I said, I don't have all the answers. If I did, or thought I did, I'd run for office.

I will say this, and leave the discussion at this, I am not a fan of asset forfeiture.

 

[Adhdferret]

Well said, but you're wasting your time. The 'person' you're reaching out to is a troll. He's not here to listen to reason, as a matter of fact that's the last thing he wants, if it were he would have been, at least somewhat open-minded as others provided examples showing him why he's wrong. Make no mistake about it he's here for one reason and that's to to bring the biased hateful mentality typical of Facebook to our forum.

Yeah, I've heard that before myself. Even had some Fudd on here accuse me of being an ex-convict. There's a difference between "all cops bad" and "policing needs reform".

That's cool, I guess "ignore" is good for some folks. Especially those that only want to hear one side of an issue.

You are damn right!

This forum isn't unique either friend. It is often this happens when you dont subscribe to their same streaming service of daily programming.

Thing is that in 15y the majority of them won't be here to complain anymore, grasping at what was so frequently instead of what can be!

Seriously think about how damn steadfast you can really be all the way to death about simple reform! Who wants to abolish police? Defund them if that means no budget for their tanks and bearcats then sure....if it means more cops that can be trained with that money....sure you bet.

 

[Adhdferret]

Just sayin'....

Just the comment earlier by one presumably ex-cop that "got out before the cameras, etc..."

That really kind of lets one know that transparency is not a virtue with all LEOs.

I have a friend, ex-TPD that was commenting on the verbal abuse officers take. He said -
"back when I was a patrolman, if one of these guys started saying MF this or MF that, we'd pull him out through the window and put a stop to it right away. Those guys may not have respected us, but they'd at least fear us".

That was a retired TPD officer, and a very respected one at that. He wasn't angry when he said it, it was just him stating how it was.

I like the old dude, I really do. But his nonchalant attitude about escalating to violence over some verbal assault by a punk speaks volumes.

Yeah that method of kojack policing where you smack the suspect with the cylinder of a 38 till they tell you what you want to hear....its what these old timers enjoy.


Dude they love hurting people. Then you have cops like the one that I feel saved my life....come to find out he couldn't have kids, and was just a good guy.

We have way more good cops than bad ones. I really belive that. However they refuse to thin their ranks...it seems they promote those bad elements over and over again.

 

[Adhdferret]

How do you feel about removing qualified immunity?

How should lawsuits against LEOs be funded?

Should all bodycam video be made available? Investigation into failing bodycams? (technical glitches, Murphy's Law)

Asset forfeiture? Funding of police dependent on citation revenue?

Dude...this person is my way or the highway...you illustrate a specific event, or if you counter with logical reasoning....you are a liberal.

Admit zero fault is the way of police. Force escalations and ignorance of the parameters in which they are allowed.

Again...and you know this. I blame their leadership for allowing them to do this and encourage it even.