Fiddleback bite......?

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very good info if it actually works... hmmmm Ben Gay and Heet

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Whenever a patient would come to his office with a definitive Brown Recluse bite (they had the spider with them) or after he was able to diagnose it, he would treat them with a Nitroglycerin patch.

The way he came to understand this was described to me in the following mannar. He told me, “Roy I was seeing a patient who had a bite on his arm and I was looking at it under my scope. I looked at it and then raised up. It was then that I felt that God was telling me to take another look at it, so I did. When I looked at the bite again I suddenly saw the vessels spasming, constricting from the poison. I thought OK, Hmm. It is a vasoconstrictor, what I need is a vasodialator. A nitroglycerin patch!” Dr. Burton told me that if he hadn’t looked at exactly when he did at the bite he might never have seen it spasming and he never would the idea have come into his brain to try the nitroglycerin patch.

He used this treatment for several years and finally wrote it up in the New England Medical Journal. However, most Doctors have never even heard of this treatment. Here is a link to his writings on exactly what he did to treat this potentially very destructive bite.

http://classic-web.archive.org/web/...s.com/Yosemite/Forest/2021/recluse/intro.html

Dr. Burton told me as well that it would probably be possible to treat this bite with something as simple as a liniment or something like Ben-Gay or HEET as they are all vasodialators. I don’t know if that would work as I’ve never had reason to try it, but it may be worth studying.

This really works but you have to act in the first 48 hours.


http://royblizzard.hubpages.com/hub/Brown-Recluse-Spider-Bites-A-Cure

A good friend of mine got bit and was able to catch the spider. He found out about this and had his doctor prescribe him the patches and it really works good. The bite area completely healed. Before he applied the patches his bite was starting to turn black.

 

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The devastation caused by the bite of the Brown Recluse spider can be stopped in its tracks and reversed, even at advanced stages of its degenerative effects.

The Recluse bite can cause a prolonged and expensive trail of suffering and disability to its victims. The frequency of bites to humans has increased at an alarming rate, as the spider moves indoors and into our garments, shoes and bedding. Treatment cost now run into the millions of dollars per year and are rising rapidly as incidences increase.While some spiders inject little venom, others may be expected to create serious management problems with resultant extensive tissue loss, pain. disability and chronic deterioration.

The etiology is the powerful, vasoconstricting properties of the venom, as the mechanism of necrotic arachnidism, which causes the smail arteries to spasm with resultant loss of blood supply to the bite area. This sets up a cycle of ulceration and tissue loss through ischemia and gangrene. Systemic medication alone is unable to penetrate the lesion because of the barrier zone produced by the spastic occlusion of the arteries.

However...a nitroglycerin patch can penetrate through the skin, into the interstitial fluid and into the capillaries, rapidly dilating the vessels. This is evidenced by the quick onset of a nitroglycerin headache as circulation into the occluded area is re-established from the edges inward. The pathologic process ceases and healing begins. When a nitro patch is administered early, as in the first 48 hours, no lesion ever develops! Delay treatment three to four weeks and a 5 cm ulcer will develop, requiring three months of treatment with the nitroglycerin patches. Even with delayed treatment, however, the degenerative process is reversed. The body heals itself. There is no need for surgery with its debilitating effects, potential complications and severe scarring.

The patch is cut to cover only the effected area, right up to and extending just over the edge of involvement. In the case of a youngchild, the patch should be cut down to cover the smallest area possible, with more frequent removal and reapplication necessary. Pictures of the recluse bites treated with these patches provide examples of some responses.

With few exceptions, regardless of the site of the bite or the age and health of the patient, the patch has stopped the progress of the tissue loss, thus allowing the area to begin recovery, usually without scarring and with only slightly darker pigmentation.

*3 wks. old untreated lesion near wrist

*After 7 weeks treatment on Nitro 0.2 patch - completely healed - no scar
Exceptions include a patient with a very old ulcer (10 months), one whose bite was at the posterior knee joint and who was not diligent in keeping the patch on in this difficult location, and a patient whose auto immunity was compromised by HIV. I have found the Deponit Nitroglycerinpatch to be the most effective patch of the several types tried because the nitroglycerin is dispersed throughout the matrix, the dosage is easily controlled, and the patch is very flexible (important for joint areas). Nitroglycerin spray was also used, and found to be very effective when applied to a bite of no more than several days age. Under no circumstances will oral nitroglycerin be appropriate. With blood flow re-established to the bite site, systemic antibiotics are effective and patients are prescribed Ciproflaxin for the first five to seven days to counteract bacteria - possibly delivered by the spider’s fangs - and to prevent potential bone involvement. Patients should be instructed that in the event of a headache the patch should be removed for up to one hour and then replaced.

I have been using this procedure in my private practice since 1989 with amazing and conclusive results. In instances where I see the bite so early on as to be unable to positively identify as a Brown Recluse bite (most times the victim does not see the spider, or if they do the response is to pulverize it, thus allowing no method of identification other than an examination of the affected area), I will initiate treatment with the nitroglycerin patches as a precaution. There is no danger from its use on other bites, but to delay treatment from uncertainty only allows further degradation and necessitates a prolonged treatment period. The patch will also help scorpion and other bites anyway. Exception: Do not use on snake bite.
Introduction : Current Methodologies : Symptoms : Identifying The Bite : Wound Care : Treatment Procedure : About The Author : References

http://web.archive.org/web/20060420...s.com/Yosemite/Forest/2021/recluse/intro.html

 

[OKIE-CARBINE]

glad you went and found out what it was and got treated. probably saved yourself about $15,000.

we seem to have pretty good results with just using a big bag of sevin dust. i cut a corner off and then just take the whole bag and sprinkle it around the whole outside edge of the house, next to the foundation. make a pretty good solid line. then i start sprinkling it out farther with whats left over. do that every couple months.

 

[MDT]

"Other treatments such as colchicine, steroids, antivenom, nitroglycerin patches, and surgical excision have been reported, but insufficient data exist to support their clinical use today."

This is current literature from American College of Emergency Physicians. You shouldn't expect any of the above when going to ER.

 

[CHenry]

Ortho® Home Defense MAX® Perimeter & Indoor Insect Killer:
Kills: * Crickets, spiders (excluding Black Widow and Brown Recluse), Carpet Beetles, Earwigs, Firebrats, Moths and Silverfish.

...Close, but no cigar.

Ortho does have another product that works on Brown Recluse:
Ortho® Elementals® Home Insect Killer
Doesn't appear to come in large jugs, and doesn't state that it works for long periods of time (i.e. 1 month?).


Any other suggestions?

Thats interesting, I spray this stuff (Home Defense Max) and any and all bugs do die. I see dead fiddlers, crickets, beetles, and all. I did buy my gal jug over 2 years ago so maybe they changed chemicals.
My point is to find a product and use it yourself and avoid paying an exterminator high dollar to do it. They are so restricted by DEQ on what chems they can use. It seems to last inside the house for well over 5 months...maybe 6-7

 

[CHenry]

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/42585/ortho_home_defense_max_no_more_bug.html

Living in North Carolina, where the brown recluse spider is prevalent, I worried about the many spider webs which kept reappearing. I took the webs down but would be shocked to see them back within the month. It seemed I never stopped knocking down spider webs.

I used the Ortho Home Defense Max around my home, starting with the top perimeter of the room, going down each corner, around windows, and finally, around the baseboards. I treated each room then treated the outside perimeter of the house. I paid special attention to the areas under the fridge, stove, and cabinets.

The Ortho came in a gallon size for about $7 and after treating my entire home, I still had over half left for a future treatment. Well, let me tell you that the money was well spent, since I've had no problems from spiders since. It's a rare occasion that I see a spider web now, and it's been 3 months since I treated my house. The manufacturer recommends that the house be retreated once each season, so a gallon of Ortho goes quite a long ways.

and another one:
http://www.epinions.com/review/Ortho_Home_Defense_MAX/content_277194378884

The manufacturer claims that Ortho Home Defense Max is effective against:
Ants, Asian lady beetle, Black widow spider, Brown recluse spider, Box elder bugs, Carpet beetles, Carpenter ants, Centipedes, Clover mites, Confused flour beetle, Daddy long legs spider, Earwigs, Fire ants, Firebrats, Fleas, Flies, Granary weevil, Grasshopper, Hobo spider, Houseflies, Indian meal moth, Millipedes, Mosquitoes, Moths, Pill bugs, Red flour beetle, Rice weevil, Roaches, Saw-toothed grain beetle, Scorpions, Silverfish, Sow bugs, Spiders, Ticks (including ticks that transmit Lyme disease).

 

[-Pjackso]

I understand the point. I hope you didn't take my response the wrong way.

I'm all for saving some cash, and I think I'm qualified to operate a sprayer. ( )
So if anybody has some recommendation on any radioactive glowing green poison that sizzles upon spraying ..and that kills Brown Recluses - then please share!

...The manufacturer claims that Ortho Home Defense Max is effective against:
Ants, Asian lady beetle, Black widow spider, Brown recluse spider, Box elder bugs, Carpet beetles, Carpenter ants, Centipedes, Clover mites, Confused flour beetle, Daddy long legs spider, Earwigs, Fire ants, Firebrats, Fleas, Flies, Granary weevil, Grasshopper, Hobo spider, Houseflies, Indian meal moth, Millipedes, Mosquitoes, Moths, Pill bugs, Red flour beetle, Rice weevil, Roaches, Saw-toothed grain beetle, Scorpions, Silverfish, Sow bugs, Spiders, Ticks (including ticks that transmit Lyme disease).

Hmmm. That is odd.
I linked to the manufacturer website, which says the opposite.
Maybe they did change the formula - like you suggested.

 

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maybe it's just me... but would be very leery of what chemicals gets sprayed inside my home.

a perfect example is Dursban, which killed all insects. folks were using Dursban inside apartment to spray for cockroaches, etc.

Dursban or chlorpyrifos affects acetylcholine, which is a neurotransmitter. too much buildup leads to paralysis and death.

Now Dursban is outlawed by the EPA. for applications like long term termite treatment underneath your house, no problems... but spray inside... problems.

it's all about dosage. used in areas of non-contact dosage is high enough to kill insect, but not be lethal to human. used inside your home, small children and small pets could accumulate dosages high enough to be toxic.

 

[CHenry]

maybe it's just me... but would be very leery of what chemicals gets sprayed inside my home.

a perfect example is Dursban, which killed all insects. folks were using Dursban inside apartment to spray for cockroaches, etc.

Dursban or chlorpyrifos affects acetylcholine, which is a neurotransmitter. too much buildup leads to paralysis and death.

Now Dursban is outlawed by the EPA. for applications like long term termite treatment underneath your house, no problems... but spray inside... problems.

it's all about dosage. used in areas of non-contact dosage is high enough to kill insect, but not be lethal to human. used inside your home, small children and small pets could accumulate dosages high enough to be toxic.

Permethryn (active ingredient in Ortho Home Defense) is very safe inside your home. not so safe if you cat licks it up though.

 

[Jeff405]

I use the Ortho stuff too, and it works pretty good. But I usually just spray the bottom of the exit doors and then real good around the outside of the house. Wasp spray works good for on-the-spot killing.