Officer Shelby interview on 60 Minutes

[Defcon Shooter]

Do tasers make a loud noise when fired? Never heard one; heck, never handled one.

The LEO models make a pop almost like a 22 short. Civilian model more like a subdued pop like something in the microwave making a pop

 

[mightymouse]

A man who repeatedly ignores a police officer's commands to stop can reasonably be believed capable of going for a weapon and then trying to fight his way his way out of a tough spot.

 

[deerwhacker444]

A man who repeatedly ignores a police officer's commands to stop can reasonably be believed capable of going for a weapon and then trying to fight his way his way out of a tough spot.

That line of reasoning didn't work out very well for the deaf woodcarver in Seattle, sucks to be him, I guess.

 

[magna19]

Was there ever any reasonable explanation or evidence from anyone for the vehicle to be stopped in the middle of the road. Did the guy that got shot say anything at all during the incident.

 

[soonersfan]

If one is trying to avoid repercussions, which testimony best suits that position?

1)Oops, I accidentally killed an individual.
or
2) I was in fear for my life?

"I was in fear for my life" seems to be the better choice.



Genuine question, why would officers fire a taser AND a firearm simultaneously. That doesn't make much sense, either an individual needs killing or they need tasing, they never need both.

I don't think there is a conversation that takes place while a subject is reaching for a gun about who is going to respond to the threat. Two different officers might simultaneously fire whatever weapon they had at their disposal if they simultaneously witnessed the same threat. If she felt he was reaching for a weapon and had a split second to defend herself, she is probably not going to ask her fellow officer, who failed to deploy his taser as the subject was disobeying orders while walking back to his vehicle, if we was going to deploy his taser now that the subject was reaching into his vehicle. Her testimony and that of the fellow officer is that they both saw him reach into his vehicle and they both reacted to that action at the same time. She may be lying but I don't see the evidence to prove that she is.

 

[deerwhacker444]

I don't think there is a conversation that takes place while a subject is reaching for a gun about who is going to respond to the threat. Two different officers might simultaneously fire whatever weapon they had at their disposal if they simultaneously witnessed the same threat. If she felt he was reaching for a weapon and had a split second to defend herself, she is probably not going to ask her fellow officer, who failed to deploy his taser as the subject was disobeying orders while walking back to his vehicle, if we was going to deploy his taser now that the subject was reaching into his vehicle. Her testimony and that of the fellow officer is that they both saw him reach into his vehicle and they both reacted to that action at the same time. She may be lying but I don't see the evidence to prove that she is.

Could be, could be..

Wouldn't be surprised if the trial turns into a zoo for Tulsa, will be interesting to watch.

 

[soonersfan]

when the taser went off with it's normal pop sound she discharged her weapon.

Where are you getting this information or are you just making stuff up? It is not discernible in the video and it is in contradiction to the testimony of both officers.

 

[donner]

That line of reasoning didn't work out very well for the deaf woodcarver in Seattle, sucks to be him, I guess.

wasn't a man shot recently who was the caregiver for an autistic man? IIRC, the guy was complying and on the ground while still trying to communicate to the officers who he was and that the other individual had a mental condition.

 

[Glocktogo]

when the taser went off with it's normal pop sound she discharged her weapon. The fact that she did not discharge multiple rounds as most officers do also indicates it was a sympathetic reflex. Not an intentional discharge. I have witnessed it during qualifications and it is certainly documented at police shootings and combat environments. lack of stress inducing training is main reason it occurs http://aele.org/no-recall.html
http://www.chemicalbiological.net/sympatheticfire.html

If one is trying to avoid repercussions, which testimony best suits that position?

1)Oops, I accidentally killed an individual.
or
2) I was in fear for my life?

"I was in fear for my life" seems to be the better choice.

Genuine question, why would officers fire a taser AND a firearm simultaneously. That doesn't make much sense, either an individual needs killing or they need tasing, they never need both.

I'm not disagreeing with the hypothesis you guys are postulating as I happen to believe this too. What you're missing is evidence. There's no real physical evidence and you'd have to be in her mind at the moment of the shot to know for a certainty beyond a reasonable doubt. Regardless, there's no basis for a criminal prosecution because you don't have gross negligence, when taking into consideration qualified immunity.

 

[deerwhacker444]

wasn't a man shot recently who was the caregiver for an autistic man? IIRC, the guy was complying and on the ground while still trying to communicate to the officers who he was and that the other individual had a mental condition.

Ha,..yeah. They were trying to shoot the autistic guy and shot the guy lying in the road next to him..