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Dale00

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The President is a reality TV show star and knows how to engage an audience.
He wrote a book on negotiating and knows how to negotiate.
He wraps bankers around his finger.
He is not playing by the Washington rules and the deep state remains in shock.
It is amusing to see his enemies underestimate him...or maybe I am wrong and he is just lucky, time after time.
 

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The President is a reality TV show star and knows how to engage an audience.
He wrote a book on negotiating and knows how to negotiate.
He wraps bankers around his finger.
He is not playing by the Washington rules and the deep state remains in shock.
It is amusing to see his enemies underestimate him...or maybe I am wrong and he is just lucky, time after time.
He's an ass and I don't like his demeanor. But, I do like what he is trying to accomplish and his successes so far.
 

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Sending the military to the mexican border is not new.
In 2006 under “Operation Jump Start,” more than 6,000 National Guardsmen were sent by President George W. Bush to the southwest border to enhance security, surveillance, communications, intelligence and deterrence.

President Obama sent 1,200 National Guard troops to the Mexican border to blunt spikes in illegal drug trafficking and immigration during 2010

During the Clinton years, “Operation Gatekeeper” was undertaken in 1994. Still ongoing in 1995, those involved recall follow-on border actions that included use of military assets and personnel by state-level authorities, drawing on components of the National Guard and Joint Task Force Six.

Presidents Reagan and George H.W. Bush utilized the National Guard to support counter-narcotics and illegal immigration on the border, although focused on immigration reform.

Believe it or not, in the 1990s and 2000s, Presidents Clinton and George W. Bush utilized National Guard personnel deployed to border duty for more than just deterrence, support of law enforcement, and blunting the flow of drugs and illegal aliens.

Both presidents used the military to perform another task. Using buy-in by governors, those military personnel worked to “install border security infrastructure” – that is, to build parts of a wall.

In fact, the military under President George W. Bush constructed more than 100 miles of border barriers – small walls and fencing and mobile vehicle blockers. In the 1990s, when President Clinton held office, California used the military to create a wall just south of San Diego, coordinating with the National Guard for proper authorization.

See if you can find that data on the liberal news outlets. ^^^^^^
Their outrage on the fake news channels is outstanding! They are lying themselves out of business.
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2018...-america-by-sending-troops-to-our-border.html
 

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interesting. I'm not terribly familiar with The Posse Comitatus Act, but it shouldnt be a big deal as long as theyre not there to act as law enforcement. right?

In May 2006, President George W. Bush, in "Operation Jumpstart," ordered up to 6,000 National Guard troops to the states along the Mexican border to support the Border Patrol in controlling illegal immigration and related criminal activities on U.S. soil. On July 19, 2010, President Obama ordered an additional 1,200 Guard troops to the southern border. While this buildup was substantial and controversial, it did not require Obama to suspend the Posse Comitatus Act.

The Posse Comitatus Act limits the Guard troops to acting only in support of the U.S. Border Patrol, and state and local law enforcement officers.

Posse Comitatus and Martial Law
The Posse Comitatus Act of 1878 prohibits the use of U.S. military forces to perform the tasks of civilian law enforcement such as arrest, apprehension, interrogation, and detention unless explicitly authorized by Congress.

The Posse Comitatus Act, signed into law by President Rutherford B. Hayes on June 18, 1878, limits the power of the federal government in the use of federal military personnel to enforce U.S. laws and domestic policies within the borders of the United States. The law was passed as an amendment to an army appropriation bill following the end of Reconstruction and was subsequently amended in 1956 and 1981.

As originally enacted in 1878, the Posse Comitatus Act applied only to the U.S. Army but was amended in 1956 to include the Air Force.


In addition, the Department of the Navy has enacted regulations intended to apply the Posse Comitatus act restrictions to the U.S. Navy and Marine Corps.

The Posse Comitatus Act does not apply to the Army National Guard and the Air National Guard when acting in a law enforcement capacity within its own state when ordered by the governor of that state or in an adjacent state if invited by that state’s governor.

Operating under the Department of Homeland Security, the U.S. Coast Guard is not covered by the Posse Comitatus Act. While the Coast Guard is an “armed service,” it also has both a maritime law enforcement mission and a federal regulatory agency mission.

The Posse Comitatus Act was originally enacted due to the feeling of many members of Congress at the time that President Abraham Lincoln had exceeded his authority during the Civil War by suspending habeas corpus and creating military courts with jurisdiction over civilians.

It should be noted that the Posse Comitatus Act greatly limits, but does not eliminate the power of the President of the United States to declare "martial law," the assumption of all civilian police powers by the military.

The president, under his or her constitutional powers to put down insurrection, rebellion, or invasion, may declare martial law when local law enforcement and court systems have ceased to function. For example, after the bombing of Pearl Harbor on December 7, 1941, President Roosevelt declared martial law in Hawaii at the request of the territorial governor.

What the National Guard Can Do On the Border
The Posse Comitatus Act and subsequent legislation specifically prohibit the use of the Army, Air Force, Navy and Marines to enforce the domestic laws of the United States except when expressly authorized by the Constitution or Congress.

Since it enforces maritime safety, environmental and trade laws, the Coast Guard is exempt from the Posse Comitatus Act.

While Posse Comitatus does not specifically apply to the actions of the National Guard, National Guard regulations stipulate that its troops, unless authorized by Congress, are not to take part in typical law enforcement actions including arrests, searches of suspects or the public, or evidence handling.

What the National Guard Cannit Do On the Border
Operating within the limitations of the Posse Comitatus Act, and as acknowledged by the Obama administration, National Guard troops deployed to the Mexican Border States will, as directed by the states' governors, support the Border Patrol and state and local law enforcement agencies by providing surveillance, intelligence gathering, and reconnaissance support.

In addition, the troops will assist with "counternarcotics enforcement" duties until additional Border Patrol agents are trained and in place. The Guard troops may also assist in the construction of roads, fences, surveillance towers and vehicle barriers necessary to prevent illegal border crossings.

Under the Defense Authorization Act for FY2007 (H.R. 5122), the Secretary of Defense, upon a request from the Secretary of Homeland Security, can also assist in preventing terrorists, drug traffickers, and illegal aliens from entering the United States.

Where Congress Stands On the Posse Comitatus Act
On Oct. 25, 2005, the House of Representatives and Senate enacted a joint resolution (H. CON. RES. 274) clarifying Congress' stance on the effect of the Posse Comitatus Act on the use of the military on U.S. soil. In part, the resolution states "by its express terms, the Posse Comitatus Act is not a complete barrier to the use of the Armed Forces for a range of domestic purposes, including law enforcement functions, when the use of the Armed Forces is authorized by Act of Congress or the President determines that the use of the Armed Forces is required to fulfill the President's obligations under the Constitution to respond promptly in time of war, insurrection, or other serious emergency."

the Posse Comitatus Act limits the Guard troops to acting only in support of the U.S. Border Patrol, and state and local law enforcement officers.

Posse Comitatus and Martial Law
The Posse Comitatus Act of 1878 prohibits the use of U.S. military forces to perform the tasks of civilian law enforcement such as arrest, apprehension, interrogation, and detention unless explicitly authorized by Congress.

The Posse Comitatus Act, signed into law by President Rutherford B. Hayes on June 18, 1878, limits the power of the federal government in the use of federal military personnel to enforce U.S. laws and domestic policies within the borders of the United States. The law was passed as an amendment to an army appropriation bill following the end of Reconstruction and was subsequently amended in 1956 and 1981.

As originally enacted in 1878, the Posse Comitatus Act applied only to the U.S. Army but was amended in 1956 to include the Air Force.


In addition, the Department of the Navy has enacted regulations intended to apply the Posse Comitatus act restrictions to the U.S. Navy and Marine Corps.

The Posse Comitatus Act does not apply to the Army National Guard and the Air National Guard when acting in a law enforcement capacity within its own state when ordered by the governor of that state or in an adjacent state if invited by that state’s governor.

Operating under the Department of Homeland Security, the U.S. Coast Guard is not covered by the Posse Comitatus Act. While the Coast Guard is an “armed service,” it also has both a maritime law enforcement mission and a federal regulatory agency mission.

The Posse Comitatus Act was originally enacted due to the feeling of many members of Congress at the time that President Abraham Lincoln had exceeded his authority during the Civil War by suspending habeas corpus and creating military courts with jurisdiction over civilians.

It should be noted that the Posse Comitatus Act greatly limits, but does not eliminate the power of the President of the United States to declare "martial law," the assumption of all civilian police powers by the military.

The president, under his or her constitutional powers to put down insurrection, rebellion, or invasion, may declare martial law when local law enforcement and court systems have ceased to function. For example, after the bombing of Pearl Harbor on December 7, 1941, President Roosevelt declared martial law in Hawaii at the request of the territorial governor.

What the National Guard Can Do On the Border
The Posse Comitatus Act and subsequent legislation specifically prohibit the use of the Army, Air Force, Navy and Marines to enforce the domestic laws of the United States except when expressly authorized by the Constitution or Congress.

Since it enforces maritime safety, environmental and trade laws, the Coast Guard is exempt from the Posse Comitatus Act.

While Posse Comitatus does not specifically apply to the actions of the National Guard, National Guard regulations stipulate that its troops, unless authorized by Congress, are not to take part in typical law enforcement actions including arrests, searches of suspects or the public, or evidence handling.

What the National Guard Cannit Do On the Border
Operating within the limitations of the Posse Comitatus Act, and as acknowledged by the Obama administration, National Guard troops deployed to the Mexican Border States will, as directed by the states' governors, support the Border Patrol and state and local law enforcement agencies by providing surveillance, intelligence gathering, and reconnaissance support.

In addition, the troops will assist with "counternarcotics enforcement" duties until additional Border Patrol agents are trained and in place. The Guard troops may also assist in the construction of roads, fences, surveillance towers and vehicle barriers necessary to prevent illegal border crossings.

Under the Defense Authorization Act for FY2007 (H.R. 5122), the Secretary of Defense, upon a request from the Secretary of Homeland Security, can also assist in preventing terrorists, drug traffickers, and illegal aliens from entering the United States.

Where Congress Stands On the Posse Comitatus Act
On Oct. 25, 2005, the House of Representatives and Senate enacted a joint resolution (H. CON. RES. 274) clarifying Congress' stance on the effect of the Posse Comitatus Act on the use of the military on U.S. soil. In part, the resolution states "by its express terms, the Posse Comitatus Act is not a complete barrier to the use of the Armed Forces for a range of domestic purposes, including law enforcement functions, when the use of the Armed Forces is authorized by Act of Congress or the President determines that the use of the Armed Forces is required to fulfill the President's obligations under the Constitution to respond promptly in time of war, insurrection, or other serious emergency."
 

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I remember on the 90’s we had marines on the border...and they killed an American teenager who was herding sheep and carrying a .22.

If we deploy troops it should be on the Mexican side to create a buffer.
 

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I remember on the 90’s we had marines on the border...and they killed an American teenager who was herding sheep and carrying a .22.

If we deploy troops it should be on the Mexican side to create a buffer.

U.S. Marines Ronald Wieler Jr., Ray Torres Jr., James Matthew Blood, and their team leader, San Francisco–native Clemente Bañuelos (all between the ages of 19 and 22) on drug patrol heavily camouflaged in ghillie suits came upon Hernández herding goats. The camouflaged Marines observed the 18-year-old high school student from concealment at a distance of approximately 200 yards maintaining radio contact with their unit.[5] Hernández, who was carrying a .22 caliber rifle that family members said he used to fend off predators, shot in the direction of the Marines.[1] Continuing to call for Border Patrol assistance, the Marines proceeded to track Hernández for twenty minutes, until Bañuelos, the Marine fire-team leader, shot and killed Hernandez. The bullet entered Hernandez' armpit on his right side.[6][7]
 

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