Chattanooga TN Marine Recruiting Office Shooting

[druryj]

If you tried using that argument in Iraq or Afghanistan or Yemen or Pakistan you would be laughed out of town.
People there see and hear drones and aircraft every day killing muslims.
Best estimate is the US has killed 30 muslims for every American that has been killed and a good number of those have been innocent civilians or collateral damage as they say.
From the perspective of people in those countries it's a crusade.

As a matter of fact, the guy that shot up these recruitment centers in TN strictly speaking can't be called a terrorist because he attacked military troops in a time of war.

********. You can call him what you want; but he's still a terrorist.


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[Hobbes]

********. You can call him what you want; but he's still a terrorist.


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What is it called when you attack the enemy position and kill their soldiers?
That's right, it's called war.

 

[Glocktogo]

No I don't have a solution but I do believe this administrations indiscriminate drone policy is probably creating more terrorists than it is killing.

Well we do agree on that. I don't think this war will ever be "won" with bullets and bombs. We need to demonize the ideology that spawns these savages, while taking care to not fuel their recruitment efforts. Our government can't even admit that this is Islamic base extremism. As a result, we are losing for the time being.

What is it called when you kill the enemy position and kill their soldiers?
That's right, it's called war.

In this case, technically they would be a traitor. Yep, the Chattanooga assassin is a traitor to the United States. Nothing more, nothing less.

 

[druryj]

And as is often the case, the discussion spirals downward in a battle of semantics over what we should call the cowardly islamic pos - terrorist, traitor, martyr, whatever. I'm done with this one folks, I think my position is clear enough. Ya'll be safe.


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[farmerbyron]

Interesting. Wonder if it's true.

http://www.navytimes.com/story/military/2015/07/21/sources-navy-officer-marine-shot-chattanooga-gunman/30426817/

Sources: Navy officer, Marine shot at Chattanooga gunman



A Navy officer and a Marine fired their sidearms hoping to kill or subdue the gunman who murdered five service members last week in Chattanooga, Tennessee, according to multiple military officials familiar with internal reporting on the tragedy.

It remains unclear whether either hit Muhammad Abdulazeez, who was shot and killed Thursday after he gunned down four Marines and a sailor at the Navy Operational Support Center in Chattanooga. It's also unclear why they were armed, as it is against Defense Department policy for anyone other than military police or law enforcement to carry weapons on federal property.

A report was distributed among senior Navy leaders during the shooting's aftermath saying Lt. Cmdr. Timothy White, the support center's commanding officer, used his personal firearm to engage Abdulazeez, Navy Times has confirmed with four separate sources. A Navy official also confirmed Monday's Washington Post report indicating one of the slain Marines may have been carrying a 9mm Glock and possibly returned fire on the gunman.

The various law enforcement agencies investigating the Chattanooga shooting have declined to comment. A source close to the investigation said details of the rampage's last few minutes remain unclear, but that no information has emerged to contradict the Navy's internal findings.

Authorities will not know whether White or the Marine hit Abdulazeez until an autopsy and ballistics assessment are performed.

Several attempts to contact White have proven unsuccessful.

The shootings in Chattanooga unfolded on the morning of July 16 when, the FBI says, Abdulazeez pumped dozens of rounds into a strip mall recruiting station before driving across town to the Navy support center. No one was killed inside the recruiting station.

Police responding to the first shooting had to pass the Navy support center en route, and some were diverted to the scene of the second attack, according to a source with knowledge of the investigation.

Killed in the attack were Marine Gunnery Sgt. Thomas Sullivan, Lance Cpl. Squire K. Wells, Staff Sgt. David Wyatt and Sgt. Carson Holmquist. Navy Logistics Specialist 2nd Class Randall Smith died early Saturday morning from wounds sustained during the shooting.

 

[OKCHunter]

You are correct, Much evil has been done by people who claimed to be Christians. These sad and terrible deeds not withstanding, it does not prove that Christianity is the source of the problem.

I do not see how this line of discussion will either change anyone's mind or help deal with the threat we face from Islamic lone wolf attackers and the failure of our nation's leaders in this area.

It is about the teaching. Christianity teaches love and forgiveness. The New Testament and the teaching of Christ replaced the laws and ways of the Old Testament.

Love and peace, to my knowledge, are not preached or prescribed by Muhammad and the Quran. The way to deal with the threat is to watch closely those who profess Islam, especially radical Islam.

 

[JD8]

So every murder in Islam is done in the name of Allah? Every time a so called-Christian kills a gay, they yell "Praise Jesus!" as they do it? You can't say that, so I'll stick to my point that in the here and now, the practice of Christianity in America is better than the practice of Islam around the world. Feel free to keep living in the past and keep assuming that every violent act of bigotry is done in the name of Christ, I'm not buying what you're trying to sell! You're not even making sense at this point!

Nope, as I said, christians are far more subtle when they engage in acts of hate or corruption. However, they are there. If you believe christianity as a whole to be that much better here, then great more power to you. I just don't buy into that, never will. I'm more likely to affected by some aspect of christian hypocrisy than a muslim terrorist. Finally, you don't have to buy into anything, the history is there. Now the funny thing is about your statement....

"We were once violent too!", shouldn't we be saying "We've rejected religious based violence, therefore we're ahead of you and you should strive to be more like us"

Christians from what I have seen, never say this. By far and large they never admit a murderous past or acknowledge the history of prejudice on several accounts. That kind of honesty would be respectable, but I've never seen it once.

 

[elwoodtrix]

Have they mentioned what guns were used?

 

[dennishoddy]

Have they mentioned what guns were used?

Ballistics investigation is not complete according to todays news conference.

 

[Sanford]

If this is true, it's an outrage.

What’s happening to this heroic Navy officer from the Chattanooga shooting will make your blood BOIL

I never like to be reactionary and follow anything that may just be hyperbole or conspiracy theory. That’s why I held off on addressing this issue until I got confirmation - which came Friday afternoon via text message.

There are things which make you just upset, like the liberal progressive left and media accomplices’ rage over the shooting of a lion in Africa but abject disregard and disdain reference Planned Parenthood dismembering babies and selling their body parts.

But this story has me dog fighting mad and seriously pissed off.

As reported ten days ago by Western Journalism, “A Navy officer and Marine reportedly returned fire at the shooter who killed five service members in Chattanooga, Tenn., even though current policy does not permit military members to carry firearms on facilities such as those where the attack occurred.

The cold-blooded assault killed four Marines and one active-duty Navy reservist. The center’s commanding officer, Lt. Cmdr. Timothy White, used his personal firearm to engage the shooter during the attack, according to sources quoted in the Navy Times. A report from The Washington Post said that one of the Marines killed in the shooting might have been carrying a 9 mm Glock and possibly returned fire on the shooter.

At the time, Western Journalism wrote, Lt. Cmdr. White could face disciplinary action for violating policy about possessing a weapon on the facility that was supposedly a gun-free zone. The investigation into the attack is ongoing, and authorities will not know if White or the Marine hit the shooter until an autopsy and a ballistics report have been completed.

Ladies and gents, resulting from the text message I received yesterday, I can confirm that the United States Navy is bringing charges against Lt. Cmdr Timothy White for illegally discharging a firearm on federal property.

The text message asked if it would be possible for Lt.Cmdr White to reach out to me. To wit I replied, affirmative.

What kind of freaking idiots are in charge of our Armed Forces - pardon me, our “unArmed Forces”? What would they prefer that Abdulazeez had been able to kill all the Marines and Sailors at the Naval Support Reserve Center? Let me draw an interesting contrast: Secretary of the Navy Ray Mabus is more concerned about lifting the ban on transgendered Sailors. Mabus has a problem in that for the first time since 2007 the US Navy will not have a Carrier Battle Group operating in the Persian Gulf. But this knucklehead has no problem with the Navy seeking to destroy the career of a Sailor, a commander of an installation, returning fire against an Islamic jihadist attack. I do not care if it was his personal weapon, he deserves a medal for facing the enemy.

Folks, this has become the Obama military that will not implement policies for our men and women in uniform to be protected - but will punish them if they do protect themselves. What ever happened to the Navy of John Paul Jones, Farragut, Halsey, and Nimitz? What has happened in our America where we believe that our men and women in uniform - especially the commanders - are just targets for these damn Islamic jihadists?

Can you imagine the message this sends to ISIS and all the enemies of America? We are going to end his career and court-martial a man who drew his sidearm to protect his command, and the assigned Sailors and Marines.

What is the difference between Lt. Cmdr White and the reserve officer in Moore, Oklahoma who went to his vehicle and armed himself to prevent a second woman from being beheaded? Is it that we expect less from our uniformed warriors? Are they just supposed to sit and be butchered, gunned down, until local law enforcement come along? Let’s be very clear here, I can attest that there are many reserve and National Guard troops who are carrying concealed during their drill periods…why? Because they are lions, not sheep, like the imbeciles who are making the decision to punish Lt. Cmdr White.

Doggone, what does it take? Here we have a known deserte,r Bowe Bergdahl, out getting picked up smoking marijuana, or at a house growing marijuana. According to Susan Rice, he served with honor and distinction. The real men of honor such as Army 1LT Clint Lorance, and now it seems Lt. Cmdr White, are forced into jail.

Ponder this, Obama will pardon drug dealers, but men who fight the enemy are imprisoned? Now, can someone, any one of you inane characterless liberal progressive trolls explain that to me? Explain it to us that you would rather have had more Sailors and Marines die than for this Navy Commander to draw his personal weapon in defense of his command. That’s what the Naval Support Center was for Lt. Cmdr White - his responsibility to defend, protect.

Here we have a president and secretary of state sitting down with a sworn enemy in Iran who holds four Americans hostage, and we’re going to bring charges against an American Naval Commander who returned fire against the enemy.

This is indeed FUBAR!

Here’s what needs to happen. Flood the phone of SecNav Ray Mabus and SecDef Carter and ask them whose side they’re. Demand the charges being brought against Lt.Cmdr White be immediately dropped. If those charges are not dropped, I will personally lead the charge to have Carter and Mabus removed from their positions.

America, this cannot be tolerated and must not be allowed to stand. I guess the life of an African lion means more to these liberal progressives than one of our brave Sailors. It is beyond belief that the Navy would embark upon this folly - they could simply issue a “local letter of reprimand” that would not enter into Lt. Cmdr White’s permanent personnel file - then immediately pin a medal upon his chest and fast track him for promotion to Commander.

White exemplifies the highest and finest of character and tradition of the US Navy. Those who would bring charges against him are indeed cowards and need be exposed.

Lieutenant Commander Timothy White, I await your call, and I will not rest until these charges against you have been dropped. You stay strong. You showed that you are Steadfast and Loyal. And we will not allow you to be abandoned to the perfumed princes of the Pentagon…and the White House. America shall rally to your cause!

This is just another in the long line of reasons why we must NEVER allow a progressive socialist to be commander-in-chief.