So What Would You REALLY do

[cjjtulsa]

However badly we think of those politicians in power, we still have the ability to change it at the ballot box.

Not really, though I wish that were the case. Most running for office are crooked, and most honest citizens couldn’t afford to run against those corrupt and power-hungry politicians we have now if they wanted to. The difference makers are all but locked out of the system.

The United States has become a place that is about nothing but power and money, our politics likely the best (worst?) example.

 

[cjjtulsa]

You asked "Are you guys really THAT afraid of the government? Are you really THAT afraid of the future?"

Personally, I think you asked the wrong question as I don't think it is the government that you necessarily need to be afraid. I think it is the actions of the government that will fuel the serious events that are surely ahead of us if we don't make some seriously tough decisions and do it very quickly.

The Federal Government is totally out of control. We haven't had a budget in the last three years and most likely won't have one in the near future. Federal spending is absolutely out of control. We have a President who isn't interested in slowing down the spending and isn't interested in solving problems. He is only interested in stirring the pot of unrest.

The only thing holding the financial system together is the Fed's low interest rate policy. With the dept we now have and the impending cost of the Obama health care along with impending failure of the SS system we are poised for massive default. At some point in time, the Fed will be forced to increase interest rates. When this happens the service of the Federal debt will drive massive restructuring of Federal spending. The options are massive tax increases or massive cuts in entitlement programs. The inflation fires will be ignited and we will find ourselves in deep trouble.


My view is that the most productive of our citizens are so busy working that they don't have the time to reflect on what is going on. It is the social unrest of the likely pending financial crash that you need to be asking about. I am 70 years old, have worked all my life. I have poopooed all the dooms day theories for my whole life ... until the last few years. Guns and ammo are flying off the shelves at a rate hardly seen in our young history. People are scared and they are arming themselves.

In my view, it isn't the government coming to get you and/or your guns you need to fear ... it is the massive social unrest caused by the failure of the government to deal with our financial issues you need to fear.

Bravo!

 

[Glocktogo]

In many cases you would not be taking up arms against your country. You would be taking up arms against your Government. You heard talk about this not being possible after the OKC bombing. Folks screaming how you could not love your Country and at the same time hate your Government.

History proves this to be wrong.
Our forefathers loved their new country but hated their Government. They rebelled creating a new Government.
Many of the Jews in Germany during the 1930's to 40's loved their Country but hated and feard their Government.

Ever noticed that in most Oaths of office you swear an oath to protect the Constitution or the laws and not to protect the Government? The folks that wrote these Oaths realized the difference.

Michael

This is the crux of the current problem. Too few take the oath seriously. It's just a ceremonial requirement and not really binding upon those in power. At least that's what they think. Politicians have been wiping their butts with the Constitution for decades. Can anyone on here tell me the last time a politician was actually taken to task for circumventing the Constitution? Can anyone on here even tell us what the penalty for violating their oath is?

Until we learn to hold these usurpers accountable for their actions, it will never stop. Take POTUS for example. Do we really need a Constitutional Amendment which specifically states that the U.S. government may not force its citizens to buy a specific product from the government or private entities? Does he really think the Founding Fathers would've been OK with the British Monarchy telling the colonists that they must purchase insurance from approved vendors? Isn't he supposed to be a constitutional scholar?

JB Books may not care about the rule of law, but many of us still do. No one in office should be looking for any ways to circumvent, reframe or wordsmith the Constitution to allow government mandated activities at the fringes of permissibility. The Constitution is not a grey area, it's a hard, bright line. This far, no further. If a law is deemed unconstitutional, that means someone violated the Constitution and their oath. They should be held accountable, as opposed to merely being thwarted and returned to their task of subverting it in ever increasingly inventive ways.

Exactly 280 people violated the Constitution and their oath of office by passing the PPACA into law. Those 280 people should be called on the carpet and impeached or censured. Why will it not happen? Because the fox is guarding the henhouse. It's so rare in American politics that it's almost impossible. I believe we're well past the point where we need a Constitutional Amendment regarding the decision making process regarding these oath violations. Congress has failed their responsibilities in this area, so they should be stripped of this power. It should be turned over to an outside group or entity that will faithfully and fully execute that authority, rather than ignore it as Congress has.

 

[aeropb]

I'd try to stack the bodies as high as I could

 

[WTJ]

Sometimes I wonder why I go to this forum or live in this state.

Because you are an infiltrator? J/K, but I have wondered that myself.

 

[RidgeHunter]

To answer the question, no and no.

To comment on the government enemies. We live in a red state in the bible belt. Government fear, is normal. If your a Democrat, your liberal, if liberal, a socialist. And socialism is an enemy. After all we didnt elect a Democratic president, we elected an enemy.
Until our president is a conservitive republican, both houses controlled by conservitive republicans, and all SC justices are appointed by conservitive republicans, there will be enemies.

I do understand the fear gun people have and share in that concern, but im not scared or fearful.

Like you, i think we will eventually have to address some type of gun control. My hope is that its left up to the states and not the enemy.

I think many people missed the irony/perspective of this post, and obviously haven't paid attention to Lurker66's other posts.

 

[Lurker66]

Exactly 280 people violated the Constitution and their oath of office by passing the PPACA into law. Those 280 people should be called on the carpet and impeached or censured. Why will it not happen? Because the fox is guarding the henhouse. It's so rare in American politics that it's almost impossible. I believe we're well past the point where we need a Constitutional Amendment regarding the decision making process regarding these oath violations. Congress has failed their responsibilities in this area, so they should be stripped of this power. It should be turned over to an outside group or entity that will faithfully and fully execute that authority, rather than ignore it as Congress has.

I agree a little. Your saying 280 elected officials violated the constitution, however, 9 justices havent yet decided. They may find it constitutional. Thats the process we live with. Thats exactly how the framers worked it out.

Only once has a president defied the SC and that was andrew jackson. If the SC finds the act unco
nstitutional, i say good. If they find it constitutional, then those 280 were right and maybe we ought to fire those that voted against it. Those that voted against it should have done a better job negotiating.

I for one am tired of gridlock. I blame gop and dems. I, like many others, took an oath but that oath works both ways, good and bad.

 

[WTJ]

I think it is time to acknowledge the fact that the entire Federal Government system needs to be fundamentally adjusted. However, there are some huge, and very dangerous, problems in doing that. The Party system is filled with those who, mostly, have some kind of communist agenda and are only truly interested in their own ability to stay in power. They buy votes with tax dollars thru entitlements. As soon as the leach class of our little dystopia can figure out how to profit with little effort from a gun ban it will happen. Lots of people here are right, it will not go as they expect, and it may well bring an end to the country as we know it.

I fear that the productive citizens are being turned into subjects, and are being backed into a corner. Cornered people, regardless of conditioning, tend to fight.

 

[faler55]

i guess i will go screeming in to the wood,s like a little girl

 

[Glocktogo]

I agree a little. Your saying 280 elected officials violated the constitution, however, 9 justices havent yet decided. They may find it constitutional. Thats the process we live with. Thats exactly how the framers worked it out.

Only once has a president defied the SC and that was andrew jackson. If the SC finds the act unco
nstitutional, i say good. If they find it constitutional, then those 280 were right and maybe we ought to fire those that voted against it. Those that voted against it should have done a better job negotiating.

I for one am tired of gridlock. I blame gop and dems. I, like many others, took an oath but that oath works both ways, good and bad.

I disagree. There is nothing that says an elected official must vote for any constitutionally sound bill, only that they're bound by oath to vote against an unconstitutional one. Personally, I will not consider a split decision to be sound. Only if we have a 7-2 ruling against the PPACA will we have a win. Sotomayor and Kagan could phone their votes in. We already know their decisions aren't going to take the COTUS into consideration.