Whent the first church split, both Orthodox and Roman Catholics, claimed to be the original church.
The filioque dispute in the Nicean Creed. I wrote a paper about that is undergrad.
Whent the first church split, both Orthodox and Roman Catholics, claimed to be the original church.
The filioque dispute in the Nicean Creed. I wrote a paper about that is undergrad.
Then prove him wrong. It's a silly debate to argue over something that can be neither proven, nor disproven. All we can do is respect each others beliefs until they take it to the point of douche-baggery (and at that point, it's time to blame the individual and not their faith because they were probably pretty screwed up before they got into religion).
It's funny that when someone commits a crime with a gun, everyone on this board are quick to blame the person and not the gun, but when it comes to Islam (or religion), everyone wants to take the blame off of the individual.
I know atheist zealots that honestly sound just like the religious zealots. I'm with GTG 100% in this thread, people are screwed up and there's no reason to blame anything else when they do screwed-up stuff.
I know atheist zealots that honestly sound just like the religious zealots.
Not really a matter of belief. Unless you can show me any physical evidence it's all nothing more than a matter of faith, e.g in peoples' minds.
I don't think Wesley's call to experience Christ personally can be called a precursor to believer's baptism. Methodists baptize infants just like Catholics and Lutherans.
The whole "God punishing here on earth, if you're successful you must be doing something wrong, and if you're not, you must be cursed" is about 180 degrees opposite of any Methodist sermon you are will ever hear. Again, read the Methodists views on social justice and their Social Creed and tell me how any of that supports prosperity gospel. Or any of Wesley's sermons. I think you're way misconstruing the "experience Christ personally" thing. We're talking about John Wesley, not Ayn Rand.
For the record I'm not a believer but have to defend my Methodist family because as far as church people go, and especially as far as church people go in the south, they're pretty sane.
The Methodist Social Creed is pretty much the Green Party platform with the word "God" scattered about.
The Holiness movement and Charismatic movement both consider Wesleyan teachings as a large contributor to their faith (those were the only two examples on Wikipedia - to be fair, I thought several other evangelical churches were off-shoots of Wesleyanism with a little Calvinism sprinkled in) and they're pretty inline with most of my examples, so its possible that I need to figure out where they strayed from Wesley's teachings and blame that guy for that stuff and just blame Wesley for the issues in which Methodism is wrong
Don't get me wrong, while I disagree with a few Methodist principles, I still hold them in higher regard than a lot of the more radical Christians (to be fair, compared to Lutherans, Methodists are like a Girls Gone Wild video).
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