Situation in a school. Needs some honest feedback

[cooljeff]

I agree completely with both of gentleman.


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[farmerbyron]

IEPs need a complete re-evaluation. By the time these kids on IEP get to high school, they know they are untouchable. They can cuss, threaten etc. and the most discipline they will receive is a stern talking to. At that point they are just biding their time until they do something severe enough to require a trip through the criminal justice system or they get swept on though until they get into the real world and cannot cope with adulthood. Then many will turn to drugs or other coping mechanisms and get to experience the criminal justice system as an adult. The IEP is doing no one any favors, especially so the kid on IEP.

 

[farmerbyron]

Yes, unfortunately I have. Too many times honestly. As you can imagine there are very few men that are special education teachers and even fewer that are elementary teachers. I'm also CPI certified which is training used to safely restrain a student being violent. There are specific steps that must be followed with any violent situation when it happens. We are required to first try to calm and talk then down. If that doesn't work, we are to call for back up and maintain a calm environment, remove all students and stimulation triggers, then remove anything that the child could use to hurt themselves. We must try to secure and block any means of escape other than the immediate surrounding. In all honesty even the therapeutic holds we can apply are required as a last resort. And then only to the extent that it keeps the child safe but doesn't hurt them. It's very stressful but it's part of the package when you sign up for the job. You just have to balance the good with the bad to make it worthwhile. I love what I do and the small daily successes make the occasional firestorm worth it.


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That's why you make the big bucks. Lol.

 

[cooljeff]

Yes sir... Lol. Sadly, we were told in a special education department meeting a few months ago that UCO and OU which both produce the majority of special education teachers only graduated 3 special education teachers total put TOGETHER last year. It's getting more and more difficult to find anyone willing to put up with everything that comes with the job.


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[Cedar Creek]

My thoughts for SIL - as a student teacher you aren't really in a position to make the call on how to resolve the circumstances with Johnny, but be aware that Johnny has assorted clones at all levels throughout the education system. They range from students to teachers to administrators to school board members. Student teaching is a learning experience, and you may learn that other career paths may be a better use of your college degree.

Good Luck!

Cedar Creek

 

[aarondhgraham]

I've seen this with student teachers from my university,,,
I almost experienced it when I did my student teaching.

Call the cops or in any way go outside the policies set by the principle,,,
Forget ever getting a job at that particular school,,,
Get negative reviews of your performance.

Schools are often tiny autonomous dictatorships,,,
Run by petty tyrants who brook no deviation from their edicts.

It's a sad state of affairs but I have seen several student teachers get shafted this way.

Just saying.

Aarond

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[bluedog46]

I can only comment from my own experience and knowledge of this matter. I'm a 3rd and 4th grade Special Education teacher in Moore and I am at the end of my Master's degree in Special Education. Any time you suspend or expel any student for longer than 10 days that has been diagnosed and categorized with a disability that requires an IEP or individualized education program the school and teacher must be able to provide a manifestation determination. This essentially means that the school must provide proof that the action that caused the suspension or expulsion was a NOT a product of their disability. This is required by law to be done and if the school is wrong it can end very badly for the school and reporting teacher. I'm not saying it's right, and don't generally agree with it. However I understand why so many schools are reluctant to take much action towards special education students, especially the more severe the disability the student has. Again, just my knowledge of it and I don't agree because it causes many issues and the students often learn from parents to play into the disability they have.

SO the kid or their parents can claim "the devil made me do it". I hope they don't get that kind of pass when they get older and rob and rape.
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Unfortunately when it comes to special education students it's not that easy Dale. We have had over a dozen police calls for assualt in some fashion and some very serious in the last 5 years I've been there. The police always tell us the same thing. "We can call the parent and send them home, and file a report but they can't do anything to them legally because of age and disability". They have told us the only way one that can legally have a child admitted is by a judge, parent or doctor legal directive. And unless it's by the parent it will only be a 48 to 72 hour psychiatric hold for observation. Sadly, federal government and laws have just caused so many restrictions on the effort that was the intention to level the playing field and never allow discrimination to special education students.


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God only know what will happen when they get to the middle years. I think other kids will tune him up. Seems the kid is not liked. I am not advocating that. Just saying I think it will happen

In light of the Sandy Hook Elementary massacre, laws fostering such repeated assaults should be revised.

amen to that.

IEPs need a complete re-evaluation. By the time these kids on IEP get to high school, they know they are untouchable. They can cuss, threaten etc. and the most discipline they will receive is a stern talking to. At that point they are just biding their time until they do something severe enough to require a trip through the criminal justice system or they get swept on though until they get into the real world and cannot cope with adulthood. Then many will turn to drugs or other coping mechanisms and get to experience the criminal justice system as an adult. The IEP is doing no one any favors, especially so the kid on IEP.

They are just creating more criminals in some cases. Not all. Some of the kids really have problems. The thing is they do have schools for this situation.

Thanks to everyone for the insight. I will call tonight to talk to brother and sis.

It sounds like with sandy hook and school violence a tip to the press or parents might be the best thing. Maybe she can "get some numbers" for other kids in the school

 

[bluedog46]

Oh for any of the teachers. Are there any laws you are aware of being broke if this is leaked? I was thinking simply letting the situation get out to the press and the school involved but not naming the student or anything.

 

[SMS]

I've seen this with student teachers from my university,,,
I almost experienced it when I did my student teaching.

Call the cops or in any way go outside the policies set by the principle,,,
Forget ever getting a job at that particular school,,,
Get negative reviews of your performance.

Schools are often tiny autonomous dictatorships,,,
Run by petty tyrants who brook no deviation from their edicts.

It's a sad state of affairs but I have seen several student teachers get shafted this way.

Just saying.

Aarond

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There are repercussions for being assaulted too. If you genuinely fear for your safety, you have to choose between safety and offending the school admin.

 

[rlongnt]

I am a little concerned that the OP used the term assaulted in reference to a 4th grader. Assault; I do not think that word means what they think it does. Black, white, autistic, TBI, or normal, it doesn't matter. Good grief, 4th graders are 8-9 years olds. Lets not consider them on par with hardened pit bull gangbangers.

From first hand experience I know what it's like and can truly feel for the situation in a manner only someone having lived it can, i.e. raising a special needs child with (TBI) Traumatic Brain Injury. In my own home I've watched the process from 4years old to almost 17 years old. 17 year olds CAN assault an adult 4th graders/8-9 years olds can't.