Here we go again, another school shooting. This time in Texas

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El Pablo

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They shouldn't flee. Just like those that the left are all up in arms about every damn day being killed by LE. Comply with the Police and you've got a 99.9999999% chance of surviving every encounter with LE.

Nobody has ever won an argument with LE on the side of the road.
I had once okc pd thinking they saw me do something stupid, during rush hour on nw expressway in okc..

But your right, I should have been shot for them thinking I was was fleeing and committed a felony. When all I did was have a blow out. Had to change it in the freaking median because people wouldn’t let me over from the middle lane. He didn’t see that. What he did see was me fishtail onto nw expressway from the median (it was raining and the median was a soft mess). I didn’t see him flip on his lights as I turned off new expressway. So looked like at the very least reckless driving and fleeing…

It was a very short conversation after I finally saw and heard him and pulled over. I had the blown tire in the bed of my truck. I’m covered in brake dust etc. But your right. He should have been able to just shoot me with impunity. Because everything is always as it appears. It was in early April of 1999. I’d just left visiting my newborn nephew in icu at childrens.
 

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unfortunately, this same conversation is being used in reverse against us. The unborn child has more protection than school age children or another post I saw compared pro-life to the right not being supportive of child care issues
yeah but this is a horrible false equivalency.

https://www.congress.gov/115/meetin...RG-115-JU10-Wstate-ParkerS-20171101-SD001.pdf
according to this document, there are 474 black abortions for every 1,000 live births.
this suggests that out of every black pregnancy in america, there is a roughly 33% of ending in abortion, which is the killing of the child.

for this to NOT be a false equivalency, the gun crime death rate of black babies must be similar. while gun murder *is* the leading cause of death for black children, it is NOT anywhere near 33%.

in fact, more children die each year from lightning strikes than school shootings.

for instance, using those stats from the document above, there have been over 19,000,000 black babies killed by abortion since 1970.

not finding gun murder deaths for the last 50 years, but according to this random site that came up on google:

https://www.everytown.org/issues/child-teen-safety/
there are 18,000 CHILDREN/TEENS shot every year. note this is NOT shot and killed; just shot. note this also children/teens of ALL demographics.

18,000 * 50 = 900,000

19,000,000 is 20x LESS THAN 900,000.

so the TOTAL NUMBER OF CHILDREN SHOT IS STILL 20X LOWER THAN THE NUMBER OF JUST BLACK ABORTIONS.
 

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It's not about how it could be abused, it's about how it will be and has been abused.

https://www.1310kfka.com/news/04/wo...-false-red-flag-petition-against-csu-officer/
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/r...bious-red-flag-action-against-new-jersey-man/
https://www.preparedgunowners.com/2...rass-pro-gun-students-with-false-accusations/
Nasty divorce? petty feud with neighbors? Political disagreement? Just file a Red Flag, Make your enemy suffer at the hands of the system, worst case the target gets take out by the cops and your troubles are over.

The complete elimination of due process is anathema to our constitution. Find a way to implement a red flag law that A: Doesn't eliminate due process and B: Invokes harsh penalties for false and malicious reports, only then will I consider supporting such.
I agree. I should have said could/would/has
 

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Considering this shooting, what laws do you think could stop it from happening?

I don’t think laws stop murderers. There have always been bad/crazy people and there always will be.

Also, what does it matter what type of gun someone uses? Or if they use a car or other weapons?

You’ll just have to keep passing laws criminals and psychopaths don’t care about one bit.
This one, I do not know all the facts yet, but most of the others had clear warning signs that the person should not be allowed near guns, knives, or anything else dangerous. Maybe restrict them to single shots so they can do the world a favor and take themselves out of it. I am afraid if we do not do something WE may be restricted to single shots or none at all.

Yes it will be wrong and yes banning all guns will not prevent mass murders, but the anti-gunners do not care.
 

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This one, I do not know all the facts yet, but most of the others had clear warning signs that the person should not be allowed near guns, knives, or anything else dangerous. Maybe restrict them to single shots so they can do the world a favor and take themselves out of it. I am afraid if we do not do something WE may be restricted to single shots or none at all.

Yes it will be wrong and yes banning all guns will not prevent mass murders, but the anti-gunners do not care.
that's the pilpul explanation tho.

in reality, the majority of gun deaths are still occurring in urban areas, and are still overwhelming both shooter and shootee one demographic.

if dems want to get "SERIOUS" about gun crime/laws, then the conversation MUST start in their backyards, wherein their "guns laws" have had....zero effect.

they use tragedies like these to enforce unjust laws that only lead to more tragedies.

how many children are shot every day and no one cares? why didn't stricter gun laws save them?
 

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This one, I do not know all the facts yet, but most of the others had clear warning signs that the person should not be allowed near guns, knives, or anything else dangerous. Maybe restrict them to single shots so they can do the world a favor and take themselves out of it. I am afraid if we do not do something WE may be restricted to single shots or none at all.

Yes it will be wrong and yes banning all guns will not prevent mass murders, but the anti-gunners do not care.
I don't like the 'got to do something' rationale. The events are so hideous, I get the reaction, but that's not a valid reason to enact more laws that IMO won't address the issue.

If someone is flagged and then it is adjudicated they shouldn't have guns, what then? Felons aren't supposed to have guns, right? Yet, many have them. So, what then? Universal background checks? Registration?

Short of locking them up after red flagged, I don't understand how they'll work.

Being sickened by the shootings isn't a reason to just start ceding rights that I don't believe will do anything to stop these.

Like I said earlier, seems like armor piercing rounds would have been a difference maker on the Uvalde incident. And securing the schools.
 

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Anyone care to wager how many murders there will be in Chicago this weekend? They have some of the strictest gun laws in the nation. Probably none of them will be committed with an AR15 or by a mentally disturbed individual. The nation mourns 21 people killed in Texas and it is a horrible thing. The world is a violent place with evil everywhere. The gun is not the problem.
 

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